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	<title>Comments on: Biodynamics: Why Believe What Steiner said?</title>
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		<title>By: Nick Nakorn</title>
		<link>http://zone5.org/2009/09/biodynamics-why-believe-what-steiner-said/comment-page-2/#comment-41225</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Nakorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Greg,
you might like to read this:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.cortland.edu/ids/sasc/vol1_issue2/Disability%20Humor%20Final.htm&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nick&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,
you might like to read this:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.cortland.edu/ids/sasc/vol1_issue2/Disability%20Humor%20Final.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cortland.edu/ids/sasc/vol1_issue2/Disability%20Humor%20Final.htm</a></p>

<p>Nick</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: traci</title>
		<link>http://zone5.org/2009/09/biodynamics-why-believe-what-steiner-said/comment-page-2/#comment-41224</link>
		<dc:creator>traci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good enough for me Greg, anyway it&#039;s full moon tonight! :) 
 Scince we&#039;re You tubing I wil leave you with this :)
Namaste
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC7ANGMy0yo&amp;feature=player_embedded&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good enough for me Greg, anyway it&#8217;s full moon tonight! <img src='http://zone5.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  
 Scince we&#8217;re You tubing I wil leave you with this <img src='http://zone5.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> 
Namaste
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC7ANGMy0yo&amp;feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC7ANGMy0yo&amp;feature=player_embedded</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://zone5.org/2009/09/biodynamics-why-believe-what-steiner-said/comment-page-2/#comment-41223</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 07:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A way of looking at the vaccine &quot;debate&quot;:
http://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A way of looking at the vaccine &#8220;debate&#8221;:
<a href="http://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://zone5.org/2009/09/biodynamics-why-believe-what-steiner-said/comment-page-2/#comment-41222</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 07:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry about that Greg- didnt realise anyone else was listening! :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about that Greg- didnt realise anyone else was listening! <img src='http://zone5.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://zone5.org/2009/09/biodynamics-why-believe-what-steiner-said/comment-page-2/#comment-41221</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Would you two please go outside and PLANT SOMETHING already?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics... even if you win, you&#039;re still retarded.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you two please go outside and PLANT SOMETHING already?</p>

<p>&#8220;Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics&#8230; even if you win, you&#8217;re still retarded.&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://zone5.org/2009/09/biodynamics-why-believe-what-steiner-said/comment-page-2/#comment-41220</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;You’ve proven my point – by painting yourself with the ‘Skeptic’ brush you are assumed to have the same oppinions as other people that call themselves skeptics after all you all ‘follow the evidence’ same as they profess to do but you distance yourself from counterknowledge.com or Damien Thompson. &quot;
Obviously skeptics have lots of different opinions, they do not form part of any kind of organised religion or group, although they might be expected to share certain concerns and approaches to evidence. Im not distancing myself from Damien Thompson, Ive just never heard of him.
Obviously I am not saying all people interested in Steiner are racist, nor are they all anti-vaccination; some are however, and like yourself, such people are very likely to speak out against people like me who draw attention to these issues, while they are unlikely (I dont know of any examples) to speak out against Steiner&#039;s racism;
nor are people who follow BD likely to speak out against the misinformation from anti-vaccers, just as alternative therapists are not likely to ignore the evidence against their own practice, but condemn other CAM practitioners for not following the evidence.
Governments certainly may lie; but you cant just assume a corporation or a gvt. is lying, you need evidence.
There is already abundant evidence that people are swayed by anti-vaccer campaigns, which is resulting in a return of measles. People are not just innocently holding their beliefs, they actively promote them, which clearly has actual, real effects in the real world; 
and more to the point here, they spend a lot of time trying to discredit those like myself who challenge what they say; 
otherwise neither Hoad nor yourself would be so concerned about what I have written concerning BD. But you are very concerned about it it seems.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You’ve proven my point – by painting yourself with the ‘Skeptic’ brush you are assumed to have the same oppinions as other people that call themselves skeptics after all you all ‘follow the evidence’ same as they profess to do but you distance yourself from counterknowledge.com or Damien Thompson. &#8221;
Obviously skeptics have lots of different opinions, they do not form part of any kind of organised religion or group, although they might be expected to share certain concerns and approaches to evidence. Im not distancing myself from Damien Thompson, Ive just never heard of him.
Obviously I am not saying all people interested in Steiner are racist, nor are they all anti-vaccination; some are however, and like yourself, such people are very likely to speak out against people like me who draw attention to these issues, while they are unlikely (I dont know of any examples) to speak out against Steiner&#8217;s racism;
nor are people who follow BD likely to speak out against the misinformation from anti-vaccers, just as alternative therapists are not likely to ignore the evidence against their own practice, but condemn other CAM practitioners for not following the evidence.
Governments certainly may lie; but you cant just assume a corporation or a gvt. is lying, you need evidence.
There is already abundant evidence that people are swayed by anti-vaccer campaigns, which is resulting in a return of measles. People are not just innocently holding their beliefs, they actively promote them, which clearly has actual, real effects in the real world; 
and more to the point here, they spend a lot of time trying to discredit those like myself who challenge what they say; 
otherwise neither Hoad nor yourself would be so concerned about what I have written concerning BD. But you are very concerned about it it seems.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: traci</title>
		<link>http://zone5.org/2009/09/biodynamics-why-believe-what-steiner-said/comment-page-2/#comment-41217</link>
		<dc:creator>traci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t speak out against racist ideaologies because I feel in this world when so much racist action is happening - that it is racist action I speak out against. Personally I&#039;m not into thought policing, it&#039;s a bit of a waste of time as far am I am concerned. Trying to predict someone&#039;s actions from what they believe leads to preemtive attacks on whole countries, this is how people die, lots of them way more than measels. Movements; groups; religions all the same to me - Lables. You&#039;ve proven my point - by painting yourself with the &#039;Skeptic&#039; brush you are assumed to have the same oppinions as other people that call themselves skeptics after all you all &#039;follow the evidence&#039; same as they profess to do but you distance yourself from counterknowledge.com or Damien Thompson. Movements; groups; religions change thier priorities, you must believe this because of your softening attitude to Monsanto the company that helped bring the world Agent Orange! Just look at this picture http://www.camphill-hermanus.org.za/school/school.html is that enough evidence that people applying SOME of Steiner&#039;s ideas are not racist and are doing good work. Baby - Out - with - Bathwater.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Still on this whole vaccine thing? Wish you would actually read what I wrote. Was not talking about vaccine overload I was talking preservatives, each has been tested, but the interaction with all the other preservatives has not. Also from a toxicity point of view, if the preservatives are not sufficiently regulated how do you know that in the course of all the vaccines made by different companies taken in the first 2 years of a babies&#039; life a toxicity level is not going to be exceeded?  Not enough studies have been done on the effects of said preservatives as far as chronic ailments are concerned. As I said before I am not an &#039;anti-vaccer&#039;, ( I find the term juvinile) vaccines although not perfect by any means are all that we have right now, but they are not 100% safe and that is why it is not manditory so it&#039;s people have to the right to refuse.  As far as the &#039;herd&#039; or &#039;flock&#039; - we are not animals. Even if there is less than 1% chance that a chance that a child could die, I would never expect another woman to sacrifice her child for mine, if she chooses to vaccinate her child it should be for her child&#039;s best interests not anyone elses. I&#039;m prepared to give measels it&#039;s due but it is not the main killer of children under 5 is it?  Again I&#039;d like to point out that not every person that is interested in Stiener&#039;s teachings or part there of is an &#039;anti-vaccer&#039; so why scaremongering? What does farming have to do with vaccines? Many people I know would happily let the moon tell them when to grow thier carrots, but leave things like medical care for thier children up to thier logic, not commenting either way, but acknowledging a fact.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you are going to make up a word please provide the meaning because  even Google got lost on kryptofascistiske. I see the word facist in it are you for or against? Your outspokeness against racism puts you against it but your whole &#039;what&#039;s best for the hive rules&#039; and &#039;Corporations are your friend and your government wouldn&#039;t ever lie to you&#039; attitude makes me wonder.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think we need to start holding people as individuals responsible for thier deeds and not thier beliefs despite the lables they chose to hide behind. Trying to pontificate about what may happen IF a person chooses to act on a particular belief is farting in a tornado of a great many things that already happening.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t speak out against racist ideaologies because I feel in this world when so much racist action is happening &#8211; that it is racist action I speak out against. Personally I&#8217;m not into thought policing, it&#8217;s a bit of a waste of time as far am I am concerned. Trying to predict someone&#8217;s actions from what they believe leads to preemtive attacks on whole countries, this is how people die, lots of them way more than measels. Movements; groups; religions all the same to me &#8211; Lables. You&#8217;ve proven my point &#8211; by painting yourself with the &#8216;Skeptic&#8217; brush you are assumed to have the same oppinions as other people that call themselves skeptics after all you all &#8216;follow the evidence&#8217; same as they profess to do but you distance yourself from counterknowledge.com or Damien Thompson. Movements; groups; religions change thier priorities, you must believe this because of your softening attitude to Monsanto the company that helped bring the world Agent Orange! Just look at this picture <a href="http://www.camphill-hermanus.org.za/school/school.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.camphill-hermanus.org.za/school/school.html</a> is that enough evidence that people applying SOME of Steiner&#8217;s ideas are not racist and are doing good work. Baby &#8211; Out &#8211; with &#8211; Bathwater.</p>

<p>Still on this whole vaccine thing? Wish you would actually read what I wrote. Was not talking about vaccine overload I was talking preservatives, each has been tested, but the interaction with all the other preservatives has not. Also from a toxicity point of view, if the preservatives are not sufficiently regulated how do you know that in the course of all the vaccines made by different companies taken in the first 2 years of a babies&#8217; life a toxicity level is not going to be exceeded?  Not enough studies have been done on the effects of said preservatives as far as chronic ailments are concerned. As I said before I am not an &#8216;anti-vaccer&#8217;, ( I find the term juvinile) vaccines although not perfect by any means are all that we have right now, but they are not 100% safe and that is why it is not manditory so it&#8217;s people have to the right to refuse.  As far as the &#8216;herd&#8217; or &#8216;flock&#8217; &#8211; we are not animals. Even if there is less than 1% chance that a chance that a child could die, I would never expect another woman to sacrifice her child for mine, if she chooses to vaccinate her child it should be for her child&#8217;s best interests not anyone elses. I&#8217;m prepared to give measels it&#8217;s due but it is not the main killer of children under 5 is it?  Again I&#8217;d like to point out that not every person that is interested in Stiener&#8217;s teachings or part there of is an &#8216;anti-vaccer&#8217; so why scaremongering? What does farming have to do with vaccines? Many people I know would happily let the moon tell them when to grow thier carrots, but leave things like medical care for thier children up to thier logic, not commenting either way, but acknowledging a fact.</p>

<p>If you are going to make up a word please provide the meaning because  even Google got lost on kryptofascistiske. I see the word facist in it are you for or against? Your outspokeness against racism puts you against it but your whole &#8216;what&#8217;s best for the hive rules&#8217; and &#8216;Corporations are your friend and your government wouldn&#8217;t ever lie to you&#8217; attitude makes me wonder.</p>

<p>I think we need to start holding people as individuals responsible for thier deeds and not thier beliefs despite the lables they chose to hide behind. Trying to pontificate about what may happen IF a person chooses to act on a particular belief is farting in a tornado of a great many things that already happening.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://zone5.org/2009/09/biodynamics-why-believe-what-steiner-said/comment-page-2/#comment-41213</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 07:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Re. Wikipaedia:
http://bit.ly/a7VQup&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re. Wikipaedia:
<a href="http://bit.ly/a7VQup" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/a7VQup</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://zone5.org/2009/09/biodynamics-why-believe-what-steiner-said/comment-page-2/#comment-41211</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 19:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Glad you accept that Anthroposophy is a religion, that people believe in Steiner&#039;s racism etc not because they actually think there is evidence for it, but ecause it is a religious conviction. As to the head of the SA doing his job, I think it rather begs the question as to what his job actually is/should be: obviously if he defines it as promoting BD then that is what he will do. He&#039;s the boss after all! And they do seem to promote quite a lot of BD courses.
But again you are missing the point that people like yourself, while happy to spend lots of time missing sunsets etc to speak out against those nasty skeptics (Ive never heard of Damian Thompson BTW, nor have I ever looked at CounterKnowledge, nor do I care actually) will not speak out against racist ideologies.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just on Anthroposophy and vaccines here is another opinion: (its through Google translate)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://bit.ly/9BVu22&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;But the point is that some of these children can not tolerate the vaccine because they just are &quot;weakened in advance. And the way we handle it is to vaccinate children around them, so they should not be exposed to infection through healthier children steinerianske transformation. Flock Vaccine we call it and it&#039;s something we do in solidarity with the weakest children (and because measles can actually be quite dramatic effects, even for the &quot;healthy&quot; children who do not die from it).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For years, San Diego, anthroposophists and other &quot;alternative&quot; entities undermined this policy.  Now to the degree that the most vulnerable children among us are at risk of having to pay the price for it. I do honestly not that these people can see themselves in the mirror without blushing with shame.  But they probably think that this kryptofascistiske mindset is fine, we suppose. &quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you accept that Anthroposophy is a religion, that people believe in Steiner&#8217;s racism etc not because they actually think there is evidence for it, but ecause it is a religious conviction. As to the head of the SA doing his job, I think it rather begs the question as to what his job actually is/should be: obviously if he defines it as promoting BD then that is what he will do. He&#8217;s the boss after all! And they do seem to promote quite a lot of BD courses.
But again you are missing the point that people like yourself, while happy to spend lots of time missing sunsets etc to speak out against those nasty skeptics (Ive never heard of Damian Thompson BTW, nor have I ever looked at CounterKnowledge, nor do I care actually) will not speak out against racist ideologies.</p>

<p>Just on Anthroposophy and vaccines here is another opinion: (its through Google translate)</p>

<p><a href="http://bit.ly/9BVu22" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/9BVu22</a></p>

<p>&#8220;But the point is that some of these children can not tolerate the vaccine because they just are &#8220;weakened in advance. And the way we handle it is to vaccinate children around them, so they should not be exposed to infection through healthier children steinerianske transformation. Flock Vaccine we call it and it&#8217;s something we do in solidarity with the weakest children (and because measles can actually be quite dramatic effects, even for the &#8220;healthy&#8221; children who do not die from it).</p>

<p>For years, San Diego, anthroposophists and other &#8220;alternative&#8221; entities undermined this policy.  Now to the degree that the most vulnerable children among us are at risk of having to pay the price for it. I do honestly not that these people can see themselves in the mirror without blushing with shame.  But they probably think that this kryptofascistiske mindset is fine, we suppose. &#8220;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: traci</title>
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		<dc:creator>traci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nick I have just read you blog on the burqa and it is refreshing to see someone who injects a little common sense into the whole debate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m of the idea at the moment that the way that all groups and organisations have evolved is not benifiting society, you can not judge an individual by the organisation and you can not judge an organisation by an individual that is part of it. It seems to me that the more groups we create the more we absolve our responsibility. We outsource our food production and the education of our children - things we used to do as a community and wonder why we are left feeling empty and try replace it with all these other group activities.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;An example of this is the BP Oil spill. Easy to lynch BP and point fingers and cry about pelicans and dolphins, not so easy to look at yourself and say: &#039;I am part of the problem, I helped create this, what am I going to do about it?&#039;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Humanity at the monent is so focused on what it wants and doesn&#039;t want, it has forgotten what it needs and therefore can&#039;t even begin to address it&#039;s rights.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Constructive critiscm is necessary, but demonising a sect and elevating it to cult status is only going to make it more attractive to people looking to absolve the responsibilty of thier negative feelings and turn them into actions. Someone having a racist thought is not the same as racist action with intention. Many different people from different religions rationalise any racist leanings in thier different groups or religions in vastly different ways, I find that the main thing they have in common is that they themselves are not racist and are not planning to be but are just too lazy to look for another group or religion that fits in with thier ideas. On the otherside of the coin I have met people from religions that preach equality of all races that hold racist personal beliefs, both are not ideal situations but cannot be compared to someone acting on thier beliefs with intent. I would also critisise each belief here  but calling either a dangerous prejudice is until it manifests into an action is exaggeration.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Once again I would like to point out that science is not an entity it is a tool operarated by human beings. Humans practising science have been responsible for many amazing scientific discoveries in medicine and technology that have been very benificial to humankind they have also made mistakes. Humans practising science have also managed to invent technologies that have only one purpose to kill other humans. It may well be that if the resources used for researching weapons was spent on medical science we would have vaccines that were 100% safe and we would understand more about autism Questioning certain aspects of science in an incident specific way and the intention of the humans practising it is not being anti-science.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Activism is all very well but generally it is against something which means that it is discriminating, granted if it&#039;s against puppy killers you&#039;ve got my support but lets call a spade a spade and be rational.... Once you&#039;ve conquered that thing what&#039;s next? Me I prefer to look for truth in everything and hope that coexisting with compassion and empathy we can learn as individuals to respect each other. Maybe the groups and the woo will fall away because they become superfluous, maybe the supreme being will appear or maybe the aliens will save us who cares as long as we are all happy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@Graham, no don&#039;t take it out on the faeries, they didn&#039;t do anything to deserve it! How did you find out I am one of the dreaded evil Faerie believers? Did you Facebook me?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You got me!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All of this posting has been a channeling of the Galactic Federation of Faeries, none of the facts can be verified by Wikipedia, (which also incidently has been known to be wrong that&#039;s why universities don&#039;t accept it as a valid source of information, now I&#039;m burning your bible) or any other source especially &#039;skeptic&#039; sources who always tell the truth and never indulge in rumour or hearsay. Science is your friend he is always looking out for your best interests, he is all knowing, tells no lies, never makes mistakes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m so sorry it seems that you don&#039;t actually have to use the word &#039;moron&#039; to make a point: &quot;you have made a valiant attempt at a contribution to the general slide of humanity into ignorance.&quot; is so much beter. Go onto Counterknowledge.com, (wich is a site lauded by the &#039;skeptism&#039; movement) and put in the word &#039;moron&#039; in the little &#039;search the site&#039;  button. It&#039;s a favourite word of the &#039;World Famous Skeptic&#039; Damian Thompson. Substantiated enough?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For the nth time I&#039;m not defending Judith Hoad, Anthroposophy or faeries by making the personal observation that the Pot calling the Kettle &#039;blinkered&#039; is not defamation. Personaly I would like to see the current head of the Soil Association judged on his ability to do his job, not discriminated against because of his religion. People &#039;practise&#039; religion they &#039;are&#039; human beings.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately for you most of the world&#039;s population believes in something that hasn&#039;t been supported by science yet, telling them that they are ignorant is going to burn bridges, finding something within thier beliefs that you can identify with maybe - a few more positive responses.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My poor husband is about to apply for the internet widower&#039;s pension and I&#039;m missing a beautiful sunset and this is not fun anymore, besides all my Farmville plants are dead and it&#039;s 4 days away from full moon when me and da Faeries go dancing around da Faery tree in Cruchan Wood and drink holy water from snt Bridgid&#039;s well.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick I have just read you blog on the burqa and it is refreshing to see someone who injects a little common sense into the whole debate.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m of the idea at the moment that the way that all groups and organisations have evolved is not benifiting society, you can not judge an individual by the organisation and you can not judge an organisation by an individual that is part of it. It seems to me that the more groups we create the more we absolve our responsibility. We outsource our food production and the education of our children &#8211; things we used to do as a community and wonder why we are left feeling empty and try replace it with all these other group activities.</p>

<p>An example of this is the BP Oil spill. Easy to lynch BP and point fingers and cry about pelicans and dolphins, not so easy to look at yourself and say: &#8216;I am part of the problem, I helped create this, what am I going to do about it?&#8217;</p>

<p>Humanity at the monent is so focused on what it wants and doesn&#8217;t want, it has forgotten what it needs and therefore can&#8217;t even begin to address it&#8217;s rights.</p>

<p>Constructive critiscm is necessary, but demonising a sect and elevating it to cult status is only going to make it more attractive to people looking to absolve the responsibilty of thier negative feelings and turn them into actions. Someone having a racist thought is not the same as racist action with intention. Many different people from different religions rationalise any racist leanings in thier different groups or religions in vastly different ways, I find that the main thing they have in common is that they themselves are not racist and are not planning to be but are just too lazy to look for another group or religion that fits in with thier ideas. On the otherside of the coin I have met people from religions that preach equality of all races that hold racist personal beliefs, both are not ideal situations but cannot be compared to someone acting on thier beliefs with intent. I would also critisise each belief here  but calling either a dangerous prejudice is until it manifests into an action is exaggeration.</p>

<p>Once again I would like to point out that science is not an entity it is a tool operarated by human beings. Humans practising science have been responsible for many amazing scientific discoveries in medicine and technology that have been very benificial to humankind they have also made mistakes. Humans practising science have also managed to invent technologies that have only one purpose to kill other humans. It may well be that if the resources used for researching weapons was spent on medical science we would have vaccines that were 100% safe and we would understand more about autism Questioning certain aspects of science in an incident specific way and the intention of the humans practising it is not being anti-science.</p>

<p>Activism is all very well but generally it is against something which means that it is discriminating, granted if it&#8217;s against puppy killers you&#8217;ve got my support but lets call a spade a spade and be rational&#8230;. Once you&#8217;ve conquered that thing what&#8217;s next? Me I prefer to look for truth in everything and hope that coexisting with compassion and empathy we can learn as individuals to respect each other. Maybe the groups and the woo will fall away because they become superfluous, maybe the supreme being will appear or maybe the aliens will save us who cares as long as we are all happy.</p>

<p>@Graham, no don&#8217;t take it out on the faeries, they didn&#8217;t do anything to deserve it! How did you find out I am one of the dreaded evil Faerie believers? Did you Facebook me?</p>

<p>You got me!</p>

<p>All of this posting has been a channeling of the Galactic Federation of Faeries, none of the facts can be verified by Wikipedia, (which also incidently has been known to be wrong that&#8217;s why universities don&#8217;t accept it as a valid source of information, now I&#8217;m burning your bible) or any other source especially &#8216;skeptic&#8217; sources who always tell the truth and never indulge in rumour or hearsay. Science is your friend he is always looking out for your best interests, he is all knowing, tells no lies, never makes mistakes.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m so sorry it seems that you don&#8217;t actually have to use the word &#8216;moron&#8217; to make a point: &#8220;you have made a valiant attempt at a contribution to the general slide of humanity into ignorance.&#8221; is so much beter. Go onto Counterknowledge.com, (wich is a site lauded by the &#8216;skeptism&#8217; movement) and put in the word &#8216;moron&#8217; in the little &#8216;search the site&#8217;  button. It&#8217;s a favourite word of the &#8216;World Famous Skeptic&#8217; Damian Thompson. Substantiated enough?</p>

<p>For the nth time I&#8217;m not defending Judith Hoad, Anthroposophy or faeries by making the personal observation that the Pot calling the Kettle &#8216;blinkered&#8217; is not defamation. Personaly I would like to see the current head of the Soil Association judged on his ability to do his job, not discriminated against because of his religion. People &#8216;practise&#8217; religion they &#8216;are&#8217; human beings.</p>

<p>Unfortunately for you most of the world&#8217;s population believes in something that hasn&#8217;t been supported by science yet, telling them that they are ignorant is going to burn bridges, finding something within thier beliefs that you can identify with maybe &#8211; a few more positive responses.</p>

<p>My poor husband is about to apply for the internet widower&#8217;s pension and I&#8217;m missing a beautiful sunset and this is not fun anymore, besides all my Farmville plants are dead and it&#8217;s 4 days away from full moon when me and da Faeries go dancing around da Faery tree in Cruchan Wood and drink holy water from snt Bridgid&#8217;s well.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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